Toshiba Libretto W100

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Postby bigs » Sat Jun 16, 2012 22:34

haha, think we got to look more forward, se the new i5 ivy bridge they put in the latest macbook airs, use 17watts tdp, and is 1.8Ghz, with a turbo boost freq of 2.8Ghz.

This is just 7 watss more than a ux, and 1 watt less than a libretto w100. Thats telling us unless the libretto can install ivy bridge i5, its really not worth modding the w100 cpu.
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Postby blaster » Sun Jun 17, 2012 03:26

still id rather it had an atom with next to no cooling needed. not to mention battery life.
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Postby bigs » Sun Jun 17, 2012 04:07

yes but atom performance for single core variants were very poor, the new i5 have amazing performance with lower power requirements
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Postby blaster » Sun Jun 17, 2012 06:41

an atom isnt that bad. and an i3 or i5 still asnt as low as an atom. fined me an i5 with passive cooling and we will talk
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Postby bigs » Sun Jun 17, 2012 20:21

you will be surprised blaster, try using a dual core atom? that does require active cooling and becomes less efficient and similar power consumption as a ulv core2duo. dual core atoms seems more useful than the super slow single core old variants.

Plus passive atoms with no fan overheat, and performance drops even worst than stock cold atom
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Postby blaster » Mon Jun 18, 2012 02:22

some of the new atoms are relay powerful.

i love my vaio p. the 1.6ghz was realy good but the gma 500 was letting it down.

and when i say passive i mean a system that work well that way. the way the cooling worked on my p. yes it got hot but they where still able to get rid of alot of heat thoue the keyboard.

how about a compromise. a system that uses less than 4 watts for the cou and chipset and a 1000-1500rpm fan that is quiet

like take my acer aspire one. i have a fan controller set to 60* the 1st gen atom stayed at 50 and the fan only comes on every 10 min. the system even has the same chipset as our ux. it works great.
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Postby bigs » Mon Jun 18, 2012 03:27

nah, i have used vaio p and vaio x. both lag far behind any core2solo or duo variants.

the p series i used frequently overheated and required "rest time" where the unit would not even turn on after an overeat episode until a safe temp was reached. this was doing heavy cpu processing for a good 1hour continuous.

The vaio x with 2ghz z550, also was laggy even compared to the tiny ux, go figure.

it leads me to believe that single core atoms, although power efficient, are also power anemic. my opinion changes when I used a dual core atom. it is a world of difference1 handles Hd without acceleration even, but then you look at the power figures, and its up there with the ulv core2duo.

There is no free lunch this tells me, although newer i3 and i5 cpus are getting much closer to it ;)
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Postby blaster » Mon Jun 18, 2012 09:24

i didnt fined it such a problom. the gma 500 had ALOT of driver probloms. they got better but yeah.
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Postby harryfokker » Mon Jun 18, 2012 19:39

blaster wrote:i didnt fined it such a problom. the gma 500 had ALOT of driver probloms. they got better but yeah.


GMA 500 is a controversial chipset i thought a time ago on buy a Vaio P(2nd gen) which has that chipset, i read online that with the 2012 modded Drivers Works good on HD videos but that stills has fails.

Heres a review GMA 500 VS GMA950: http://newnetbookreviews.net/2009/intel-gma-950-vs-gma-500/
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Postby tomn » Wed Jun 20, 2012 22:43

I have a total of 4 machines with Atom and GMA 500 - The first gen Vaio P @ 1.6GHz, Fujitsu U820 @ 1.6GHz, Viliv S5 and N5 @ 1.33GHz. All are running Windows 7 Home Premium or Ultimate.

The GMA 500 is actually very, very good with HD video. Even on my 1.3GHz Viliv, it can play 1080P MKV high bitrate H.264 movies 5-10GB in size with no problems, as smooth as it can be. Vaio P and U820 can play them just as well, using internal or external screens up to 1920x1080 display resolution. Youtube HD @ 1080p is slightly more taxing, the 1.6GHz machines will do it fine, but the Vaio P will throttle after a while due to overheating. The Fujitsu U820 will play 1080p indefinitely since it has a small fan to keep temp down. The Viliv S5/N5 will not play 1080p youtube HD smoothly without overclocking.

The big issue is Netflix HD - as far as I know no combination of ATOM + GPU (even the Nvidia Ion) can do it. It is 100% CPU dependent and even dual core ATOM is too slow.

Where the GMA 500 fails is when you try to play games or other programs requiring 3D. It is very bad with DirectX and even worse with OpenGL. Most 3D games are simply unplayable.

The GMA500 has very bad drivers, but they are improving. To do 1080p you MUST have version 2024 or higher (I use 2030), and newer drivers like 2048 or higher does show improvement at 3D OpenGL performance, but at the price of slightly reduced 1080P video performance.

The issue with Vaio P is the insanely high resolution of 1600x768 - it tax the GMA500 and makes the system sluggish. My Viliv S5/N5 at 1024x600 with exactly the same GPU and even slower CPU is much, much more responsive. The Fujitsu U820 is also more responsive than the Vaio P, about on par with the Viliv.

Overall I still prefer the GMA500 to the GMA950, especially if you want to play high bitrate 1080p MKV smoothly on low powered CPU, since I don't usually play games on these systems.
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Vaio PCG-U1 - Transmeta 867MHz 6.4"
Vaio VGN-U50 - 5"32G SSD
Vaio UX380N - 4.5" 128G SSD
Vaio P15G - 8" 128G SSD

Viliv S5 SSD 3G - 4.8" 0.9lb
Viliv N5 SSD 3G - 4.8" 0.9lb

Fujitsu U820 - 5.6" 128G SSD
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Dell Inspiron Duo - 300G SSD

[color="Red"]NEW TOYS:[/color]

Dell Venue 8 Pro - 64G eMMC
Samsung Ativ Smart PC 500T- 64G eMMC
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